Your blog is infinitely more interesting and objective than anything I have seen (outside of peer journals, etc). Somalis and Ethiopains have a lot of Arab/near Eastern ancestry in them (a bit less than half), and it means that European/East African children actually look more middle eastern than anything. V12 is common in East Africa, V32 is a micro subclade of V12. Both the m81 and R1 are too far seperated from the source by a long history of bottlenecks to claim any kind of relationship to the races of East Africa or Eurasia. (2) You say Somalis have mix ancestry but our skin is black like other sub saharan africans why is this ? I am interested about somali D N A East africans are genetically closer to Europeans than West africans though, for whatever reason. During Egypt’s formative ages, the Sahara was not truly a desert, while the Nile Valley and other regions etc. Including yourself. if it did, it would mean that Cameroonians are bout 1/5 Arab in ancestry. In Somali pharaoh translates to firqoon. Politics. The Somali DNA Project would like to welcome all people with ethnic Somali ancestry who have done or intend to undertake a y-DNA / mt-DNA test. There were TWO large ones not just the Bantu. The only way to reconcile all the data is to locate Punt in the Arabian peninsula. (A-M13) M2 is the Brother of M215 as both of them come from p2 But even our darkest don't compare to the shades of black found in Africa admixture or not. But science isn’t politically correct in the first place. You’d need the fst distances; Cavalli Sforza’s book would be the place to look that up. In your British eurocentric mind although just about every people group on the planet has “straight” hair, it is all “Euro-type” hair to you. mathilda37 where do u come from ? I just wanted to make a few points. I had found her on FB couple years ago. Afro-Asiatic languages are tied together by hunter-gathering and foraging words, not necessarily a food producing vocabulary. into the Near East and northern Africa at the end of the Pliestocene era. mathilda wat i reeli dont seem to understand is you say somalis are mixed 40% eurasian and i assume 60% sub-saharan africans . if we have Asian admixture it would probably be higher. They are related GENETICALLY to other Africans of Haplogroup E, Particularly E3b1. When Puntites and Africans are depicted on one and the same monument, care is taken to bring out the physical differences between them, as in the tomb of Amenmose at Thebes. Based on History of Migrations, Genetics and skin color. His melanin drop test was a work of fiction. All the African groups with straight hair as part of their range have a lot of Eurasian ancestry in them- Somalis, Ethiopians, Saharan and Fulbe. Because of so much controversy and disagreement Ancient Egyptian was put in its own category rather than Cushitic because it would indicate that Egyptians were ‘black’ as many Cushites of today are considered but it could very well be part of Cushitic. E3b= M215 = Ethiopia/Sudan M2 = E1b1a It means Somalis are probably about 1/2 Upper Egyptian, and quite closely related to North East Africans, particularly modern Southern (upper) Egyptians but closest to Ethiopians. This is why Keita says “African” doesn’t just mean one thing. The Egyptians also say that Somalis are related to them and they are the same people but they do not say the same about Ethiopians nor are Ethiopians mistaken for Upper Egyptians. Now they say the lineage is “Somalid” because the majority of Somalis are E1b1b fine, but why we don’t call all human Negrids since we all have A-M91 ofcourse racist Semites & Skinheads will not have an answer for that one! If these soldiers marry the indigenous, rape or have a casual interaction, they will definitely put their mark in the current race. But yes, Southern Egyptians can look a lot like Somalis, although ancient upper Egypt is a buit further north than modern Southern Egypt. If you don’t understand anything, just ask me to be a bit clearer. no. Please help me out with any info you have. It edits out the bit in one of his quotes where the paper goes onto to suggest that even the L3a is present in Africa from a back migration. We are wary of foreigners. – this is called an non-starter or Non sequitur. Reality Tea-V. Are there some legal beagles in here b/c I believe that as soon as he made the statement, it wasn’t private. http://exploring-africa.blogspot.com/2008/01/response-to-ana-m-gonzalez-et-al-2007.html. I don't see black people that look like this day to day. This shows a population movement from the Egypt/Nubia area to Somalia starting about 24,000 years ago. she gives me rihanna bad girl vibes but taylor... SweetApples So I think our genes are beautiful and should embrace your history rather then ignore, or hate. They are called NEGRItos for a reason. No Igbo, the parent group for Berbers E3b1 is North African in origin and about 24k old. We have no idea how these researchers from Denmark actually selected their sample. Can you tell me the other genes In a somali in terms of percentage. E3b is E-M215 ONLY Seen in Sudan and Ethiopia. European very pale skin is a recent response to Neolithic grain based diets, something thats much more recent to the rest of the world, which is why hunter gatherer groups have darker skin.. Eskimos eat a lot of vitamin D, they do not require a lighter skin tone. Also video you can download and see. As a Somali man who has lived in the Middle East for many years, I would rather be associated genetically with any race but Arabs or Jews. thank you Egyptian were euro asian ?! (2007) suggest that, E1b1b1a1b (E-V32) is sub-clade of E-V12 originated in North Africa , and then subsequently expanded further south into the Horn of Africa, where it is now prevalent.”. Another thing to consider is Southern Egypt had to be relatively Homogeneous to have such Pure groups migrating FROM Southern Egypt/Northern Sudan. that amount of mixing you keeping talking about is essentially impossible. They find E in south east Asia occassionally, so naming all E as ‘sub saharan’ is an error, as it seem to have moved into East Africa from outside that area to start with. I am trying to find that paper on Yemen. Unfortunately my special area is North Africa, so I can’t be certain of migrations to account for it’s presence in Europe. You also see the browish red in Sudan, The horn of Africa, and African populations in general. If you looked at a lot of genetic DNA testing you people love plenty black americans have 100% American and polynesian DNA. Can you not see you will never achieve objectivity? Mathilda: Why is it that Eurocentrists will say we are related to Eurasians and Afrocentrists will say the opposite. I feel sorry for you guys … I myself,come from Trinidad&Tobago,and blacks are mixed with indians and whites…take a gene test…. I wanted to ask you how come when a somali mixes with a non somali the majority of the time the offspring looks non somali? Let them claim that. Some from Actual Arabia. Downstream: All that said I am still European, so please don’t take this Somalid thing too serious its just DNA, it doesn’t change the fact that I am European! The fossil record supports all of this and even Africans have black American DNA not the other way around. Is it possible that east Africans migrated to certain parts of the west at some point not too long ago? But is it in the Latin European men (Italians and Spaniards) more so because of those two countries’ histories with African / Islamic incursions, colonisations, and occupations in more ‘recent’ times (Middle Ages), or, is it more likely due to general Mediterranean basin area ‘drift’ , so to speak, coming perhaps from a mixture of Carthaginian/Phoenician, Greek, etc, elements for over 2K years and such? My point here is Somali’s are quite diverse in looking and what I’m reading from comments is the typical Somali look that some stereotype as the nation’s 3 everyone looks like a tend to generalize. and wild animals” including monkeys and baboons. The overall autosomal study shows Somais like Ethiopians to be aboput 40% Eurasian, but with a lot less historic Arab input. Do y’all see the Naomi Campbell resemblance or am I going insane? Did life not begin in the Horn of Africa? The nomad’s features are dark, tall, with small borny frame, long face, nose. The young Somalis who know nothing about DNA and ancestry might be happy discovering this site but sorry, Mathilda is very biased here. Hmm, is that something Eurocentric people have come up with? STUNNER Top Model Jasmine Tookes for Hour Glass Cosmetics. Those DARK SKIN black Americans largely don't hail from Africans but i know that's hard for you to get through your narrow mind. Issues in DNA research DNA and stone tool evidence disagrees with you totally. these sub-saharan africans do you mean bantu, or nilotic people. For mathias , Berbers are not related to Europeans from a Y-Ancestry standpoint. – Thanks, you cleared that up. No offense but you tactically dance around the subject but I am asking you to clarify – WHICH modern Egyptians do you think would best represent the Ancients and WHY? The parent to m78 was probably there as a result as an extremely ancient population movement, and the parent Y chr E and its parent DE may not even be African in origin. I don’t know why you idiots keep saying we are mixed when the numbers are right in front of you. there has been a major breakthrough in the genetic sequencing. Another question that also comes up is –does Semitic have ASIAN origins? Easty Africans are 40% Eurasian and part east Africans that had a flat long face through convergent evolution. Once again, skin tone is not an indication of more or less admixture. ”with predominant E3b1 cluster lineages that were introduced into the Somali population 4000–5000 years ago, and that the Somali male population has approximately 15% Y chromosomes from Eurasia and approximately 5% from sub-Saharan Africa”. It’s all ludicrous. There are Somalis in Somalia who are not considered black there alot of somalis have same colour as that of the Egyptians and have similar characteristics. are somalis 80% sub Saharan African 15% eygptians and 5% ARAB. You are right on the M81 being specifically North-African-Maghrebian. (3) Why assume that Ethiopia or Somalia for that matter is a single entity or ethnic group, (5) What other factors have not been used or used for the mapping. Are Somali’s more “indigenous”? So clearly Punt was not in Asia but lets look further.. Other North African countries; Mauritania, Morocco, Western Sahara, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt ALL have some sub-populations of people that are what we call”Black” In Algeria, Libya , Morocco you see it ESPECIALLY when you leave the coast. I think “yes” is correct but he is getting the terms incorrect. Mathilda, I am a Somali who is light skinned and my family probably have quite a bit of Arab ancestry. I have a image I’m yet to post with the clinal variation along the Nile that’s a good example of the change from N to S. I’ll post it to the front of the blog…Predynastic lower Egyptians all come pretty close to modern upper Egyptians to, there hasn’t been much immgration into the area. one more thing, i can relate to anything into everything if i study it. I’ve deleted a few comments now, so this may not make sense to anyone reading the comments later on. I always thought somali were mixed, my granmother is from a place in somalia called laskoray and its located at the coast, opposite to yemen and she is very light skined and I’m quite dark. – the parent of the little group you’ve listed was North African, and it’s an absolute crock of crap that they are calling Southern Europeans Somalid. We are Africans who mixed with others but overall all human are related. That would be the people of the Balkans. Difficult to say exactly how much of their ancestry is SSA, as the Eb31 in Somalis is probably has a mix of sub Saharan ancestry and Eurasian all blended into its history. but I’m not sure on that latter one). I’d be surpirsed if their R1b turned out to be a variety you’ll ever find in Europe. Maqdis. It doesnt really say anything. The likelihood of Punt being in Somalia is pretty low, as it’s explicitly described as being near places in Asia, as being to the West of Egypt, and even calls Puntite the same name as Arabs. Mathias, that video makes no sense. Yes, there are a few. Anyways, it is nice to see that you show interest in our history. Depends on how it’s worked out. I found your blog really interesting but I have just one question if as people say the world started from ethiopia and according to this article shows new findings that ethiopia and somalia originate from the aswan area of egypt. Here the Puntites have none of the characteristic traits of Africans; on the contrary they exhibit some features which are peculiar to them alone, and others which are also found elsewhere. Both my parents are from the Gadabuursi clan. Black Americans history doesn't begin and end with Africans. Samiyah: So the millions of Africans and African Diasporans around the world come from either one or a combination of those bloodlines. I am very pleased of my ethnicity as everyone should be. You can be Eurocentrist, that’s fine as everyone has their opinion but you should let others speak because there’s no point having a blog when you don’t let those who challenge you to express themselves. Many white Americans carry African DNA some even carry more than 10%, are they considered mixed? In terms of tribes Darood which is the largest tribe in somalia was a man who came from yemen, Isaac was also stated to have arab roots, When these two arrived the indiginous somalis that lived there were of the Hawiyee tribe. … and some wall paintings and texts make it very clear that Punt was close enough to Egypt to have to hand over tribute, and Somalia is too far away to be threatened by military action from Egypt. Puntites weren’t black Africans is not the case. (Agree) when i ask my mother abp#out this she replies that hudreeds of years ago arabs used to come to somalia and that they … well you kno and that is why but my father says that it has to do with portugues but i still dont get it and this website is so far the best but i am just 14 and i dont get most of the things on this site can someone please explain People BEEN tryna erase our Blackness/Africaness. Fact, you came from us. The only ones who seem to use those terms instead of just being specific and say “semitic ancestry” have often been eurocentrics that enjoy degrading West Africans and claim that East Africans are not black and thus have nothing to do with them. Could you tell me more (all of what you know) about the male haplogroup T / formerly called K2-M70? I’m a product of my parent and have not so dark skin very small almond shaped eyes(almost resembling asian) and not so much of a sharp nose. There are western Sudanese who have M78, there are Kenyans who have M78. If you think there is, you should take a full-on DNA test. Im somali and im dark brown with long nose, thin lips, curly hair and some of my brothers have almost straight hair and even one of my brothers looks kinda bangladeshi or darker indian and we even nicknamed him gandhi..my dad’s mum had very straight hair and was very dark and his dad was light skinned with curly hair..and my mum’s family are all light skinned with straight hair…This shows our diversity and yet we look alike. Being north or west does not make your skin light. Thank-you for all your comments. The ancestral homeland of the Ancient Egyptians is Somalia ( Punt). I dont get what your saying. Funnily they are happy to admit upper Egyptians are part Eurasian but scream blue murder when anyone observes the same of East Africans. Latifa, the only reason Punt was ever thought to be African was the wildlife, Once the realised you also got rhinos and and giraffes in Arabia that went right out the window. Somalis were even classified at one time as Caucasoid by some scholars. There are multiple Egyptian texts that actually say locations in Punt are in Asia, near Asian locationsand that call the Puntites sand dwellers (Arabs). if this hair was then soffetened by eurasian dna curly hair would be observed also wavy hair or eurasian hair could be oserved and wooly hair could be acheived by the nilotic genes . 2. Igbo, lineage and racial/population affinity can be a whole different kettle of fish. So from a Ancestry tracing point they are sort of 50/50%? And the Somali DNA is about 40% near Eastern, not European , My apologies to mathilda37 since it is her blog and gave us some interesting research learn from my ancestors but I find it is quite troubling to see Western cultures imposing their research on orients(non westerners) and the fact that there is an actual field of study anthropology studying other nations almost like animals is incredibly insulting! Why or why not? Founder effect? It is very obvious that we do not resemble general W. Africans. Most of the mixed kids I’ve seen have a skin tone halfway between thier parents. You carry some African, Asian blood. Keita has said himself they vary from southern European to intermediate to his mixed ‘tropical africans’ along the North of Africa. Somalis have a lot of ancestry from the upper Egypt area from about 20,000 years ago, which itself had an equal mix of Eurasian (ancient Arab) and African (ancient Sudan). they(metchoids) migrated in Niger on the new transmission of genes between populations of the north after the expulsion from iberu-maurisien who refused those new old know people So Somali’s are more or less ethnic Somalis, and are actually indigenous African (with a small trace of Eurasian genes? While you were so busy reading up on Africa you should have learned the entire story. So my question is, how come when an african american mixes with a white person the offspring still remains their african traits but the opposite thing happens to a somali who marries a white person? However must light skin somalians clam something they r not. ( Log Out /  Mostly east African and not Bantu or capoid ancestry makes up their sub Saharan ancestry. I have the DNA studies by the scientist (Cruciani) who specialised in it that says that explicitly on this blog for reference. There were non-Moors. The authors give an estimate of 26,600 years for the For example the Beja, the Cushitic group that lives from southern Egypt all the way through Eritrea that Somalis are also closely related to are also depicted with red coloring in Egyptian reliefs and they are also undeniably black African. Matilda why do you not believe that it has gone the other way. Also , there is a unique history of M78 v22 and V12 – V12* and V22* were BOTH in what Cruciani called the “Delta Cluster” MOST of delta cluster was variant 22. West Africans carrying M2 migrated South and carried Niger-Congo languages about 3000 years ago. The project is open to all Somali from all regions (Somalia, … But my granmother’s name is very short and so i do believe that her ancestors came from india. All of these mutations come from M2. Read it, laugh at it, then pointed out flaws in it’s pseudo logic when someone else posted it in my comments a month ago.. What it essentially whines in deliberately confusing technospeak is that because L3a is found in Africa, M1 must come from there- and that’s all it says. Mostly to do with the non Africans being founded from a small East African group that had already been isolated from South And West Africa for some time, then with some Eurasian added in later. The same can be said for Coastal Berbers they are primarily M81. 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